It may be a long summer. Actually, the weather here on the prairie has been gorgeous, the first time in years that we haven't had to turn on the air conditioner yet. But, I seem to be missing my daughter lately and my partner nearly got us smacked at the grocery store tonight.
Let me start with Liv. She is eight, nearly nine. She has always been a very easy-to-get-along-with child. I seldom have to scold her and she makes me laugh daily.
I noticed around Christmas, though, that she was starting to get...well....picky. We have read all the Beverly Cleary books starring Ramona, so I nicknamed her after their cat: Picky Picky.
Liv has become a germ phobic. I have no idea what it stems from, I do know that around the age of nine or ten, that it is normal for children to develop their own idiosyncrasies. But, she seemed a little extreme for my taste.
She suddenly would glare accusingly at me when I set an apple in front of her for a treat.
Did you remember to wash this?
I would assure her that, yes, I did. She would look doubtfully at me as if I were trying to slip a dirty apple into her digestive system.
The little girl who could care less about what she wore suddenly turned into some sort of clothes guru. She refused to wear dresses or anything with lace of any kind. She began checking labels to make sure that everything was 100% cotton and asked me if we could start buying only organic clothing. I told her that if she wanted to buy her own clothes, that was fine and dandy with me. But, boy howdy, if not, she was just going to have to trust that I would not dress her in pesticide laced material.
I once caught her soaking her pig bank coins in the bathroom sink.
Think about how many people have touched this money! Someone with the flu might have touched it!
This is her birthday wish list verbatim:
1) A new skate board (something cool that I pick out, but you can drive me to the store.)
2) A Wii (and games to play on it.)
3) Hemp sheets for my bed.
4) A bracelet made from recycled bicycle chains (Miss Perry has one if you need to see what they look like.) No kidding? I bet Miss Perry has hemp sheets and clothes too. I wasn't born yesterday, missy.
I told her that if she got a wii, she would get nothing else because they were costly. She agreed.
But, how many kids ask for hemp sheets?
I'm not panicking. She isn't washing her hands obsessively or insisting on four baths a day. But...her picky picky attitude is annoying.
This is the same child who used to run barefoot out into the dirt of the back yard garden and pick tomatoes straight off the vine and eat them for breakfast without washing them first. Now,as she washed an apricot the other day, she looked up at me and said, "Do you think we should buy some of that vegetable and fruit wash that you see in the grocery store, just to be safe?"
I told her no. That kitchen sink water was FINE. Again with the look. As if she is not altogether sure that I won't sneak some bug poop on her apricots when she isn't looking.
Today, Liv and I were baking Apple Brown Betty (stop snickering...I can bake a FEW things without burning down the house) for our neighbor, Sven, who comes home for the summer tomorrow. I was slicing apples and handed Liv a measuring cup to measure out brown sugar and flour. She peered into the cup and proclaimed it "dirty." I looked at it. It is a silver cup and it had a few dishwasher spots on it. I told Liv that it was perfectly fine. She went to the sink anyway and carefully ran it under hot water and then dried and polished it with a tea towel. She looked over at me.
Did you wash your hands before you cut those apples?
"No," I told her. "I did pick my nose, but just a little bit. Boogers never killed anyone, Livvie."
She looked at me in horror for a few seconds until she realized that I was joking.
I suspect that she will keep me in line this summer.....
And then tonight, my nearly perfect partner, Bing, almost got us in a knock-down-drag-out in the grocery store. Bing, Liv and I were all doing our Friday night grocery shopping. We were in the produce aisle where Bing was selecting avocados while Liv and I picked out some apples (pink ladies are the best...)
There was a sloppy, tired looking very young mother in the same aisle. Her two toddler boys had gotten a hold of some tongs and were chasing each other around with them. One, in true brat fashion, actually pinched an elderly woman in the rear with them. His mother, chomping gum and talking to someone on a cell phone, was ignoring them.
Bing sprang to action. She whipped the tongs away from the child and scolded him, telling him that he could hurt someone and that it was not nice to pinch people with them.
His mother was off the phone in two seconds flat and came over and snatched the tongs right back from Bing and returned them to her son.
"You keep your fuckin' hands off my kid, you hear me?" she said to Bing.
Bing glared at her. Told her that her child had pinched an elderly woman (who had long scurried away) with them and that she needed to get off the phone and start parenting her child.
The child referred to was now laughing and squeezing bananas until they popped open. People were staring, but it was clear that no one wanted to take this woman on. I looked around for store personnel but couldn't see anyone.
The woman, who was not one bit afraid to get up into Bing's face, came up to her and thrust a her jaw right at her.
"Like I am going to let an ugly faggot tell me what to do?" she countered.
Bing didn't answer her. I saw a lost cause, told Bing to let it go and went to go find a manager, taking Liv with me. I saw one hurrying over up the aisle. Someone else had found him. He stepped up to the woman and asked her to please either give him the tongs or put them in her cart if she wanted to purchase them. He also told her that her child had ruined several bunches of bananas and that she would need to purchase those too.
She snatched the tongs away from her child and threw them in a bin of potatoes.
"There you go," she said. She was sneering and I realized as I watched her that I had never actually seen someone sneer quite so convincingly.
"And I WILL NOT buy those bananas," she went on. "We don't eat bananas and my child did not do anything to them."
Liv stood staring, her mouth open. There was a grown up, lying her head off.
I steered us away from her and left her to the manager. We paid for our groceries and went out to the car. Halfway there, the woman from the store literally jumped out at us from behind a car and said in a loud voice, "Faggots! Dirty fags!"
I saw Bing tense. I knew she wanted to go shove the woman's cell phone up her ass. I reminded her that Liv was with us, to let it go.
We got into our car while the woman stood looking triumphant, as if she had won some sort of victory over us.
On the way home, I thought about how to talk about this with Liv. Figured that we would discuss it when I was putting her to bed. I didn't have to wait, though. About halfway home, Liv said, "Why did that woman call us faggots? Isn't that a naughty word for a boy who is gay?"
I told her that she was just ignorant. And angry. And that those two things together were a very bad combination. Liv nodded, didn't push it.
I don't know, maybe we should have fought back, at least stood up for ourselves. I know that Bing wanted to do just that. But, I dunno....the look on her face....
She didn't look like someone who could be reasoned with. She looked like an ignorant woman who had been having a very long day with her bratty children and was looking for someone to take it out on. I don't think holding our ground would have been worth it.
Sometimes you have to teach your children to walk away.
Later, Bing and I talked. We agreed that we had handled it in the best way possible. I told her that instead of taking the tongs away from the child, she probably should have just found the store manager. She disagreed. She felt that it was important to show Liv that adults need to step in when matters go too far.
I guess I agree, sort of. It is a tough situation. Correcting other people's children is always very risky, I think, in this day and age.
What do you think? And if you have kids, were they germ phobics at eight years old? What were their quirks?
Just curious......
31 comments:
No germiphobes in my household, Maria.
I think you both handled it as much as you should. You never know about people like that, she may have been high on something, she could have had a knife, or gun on her. She obviously had issues you don't want to push further, especially with Liv there. Better to just drop it, and back away from the crazy lady...
on topic number one - the newly formed germophobia issue... this very well could be coming from something she is learning in school and she has processed it and is applying it long and hard to her own life. learning about bugs, germs, and diseases can send a kid's head whirling... so i don't doubt that she is processing something she picked up somewhere. when jess was about 10, her ART teacher started talking to the kids about animal cruelty and vegetarianism. So Jess declared herself a vegetarian, refused to eat anything i made, refused to eat food that i cooked for her if something even remotely meaty had been anywhere NEAR the utensils or pans. i finally went to the school and said "look, your art teacher has a right to her opinion, but i would rather she teach ART and ART THEORY and ART SKILLS to my kid instead of her brand of lifestyle with foodstuffs." the art teacher was spoken to by the principal and i guess we weren't the only parents of a 3rd grader who was suddenly vegetarian and freaking out about it.
so she is hearing something somewhere that is putting her into a process mode where she is over reacting. one of the key things to do is teach her that obliterating 100% of ALL germs with purell, anticeptics etc... REDUCES HER ABILITY for her body to fight off microbes and other things. often times a HIGHLY sterilized environment is the perfect place for germies to mutate and grow and conquer because the body hasn't had opportunity to really build the antibodies to fight things off naturally.
it is one thing to be a slob, pig, disgusting germ-ridden fleabag. it is another to be sensible and exist comfortably and cleanly. and with that, i'm off to walk barefoot in the garden.
No need to continue with that nut. Bing made her point--that's what drove that woman crazy. She was embarrassed and wanted revenge. It was wise to walk away--though I would've been tempted to use a little black magic.
Good for Bing--the Virgoan Virgin is also a warrior!
oh. and topic number two (I got off on topic number one, didn't i?)
I feel sorry for that woman. Her life must be so small and sad.
First of all, Liv is right. Faggot isn't the term for you guys so there's no insult there, it might actually have made me laugh if i were a lesbian realizing that she is so un-versed in how to insult anyone. Yeah, i'm a little gay boy or a pile of sticks bundled together. Whatever, loser...
she is ignorant, pathetic, and obviously has some serious malfunctions going on if she can't see when her kids are the problem, not the person trying to suggest they reel it in a bit. you were right to do nothing because she sounds like the type of person who is just looking for someone to fight with. and it would have been a dirty, scary fight.
bing is right to some extent that teaching liv that sometimes a grownup needs to step in periodically; but that grown up should be the store manager. and bing as a grown up should have been reaching to him first to step in. if no other grownup was around, then yes -- you guys as adults should step in... but the first step is always the sanctioned authority figure.
and had i been that old lady, i would have turned around and beat the ever lovin' muppet stuffing out of that tong wielding little shit.
Some people are just ignorant trash, Maria. Bing did well not to deck her; I know I would have done.
Just look forward to Sven coming home tomorrow (WOOHOO) and have a quiet word with him to try and show Liv that a rub is all an apple needs (an organic one, anyway).
Either that or you may just have to sit with her and talk her through the Howard Hughes biopic.
Maria, it's interesting how I had posed a very similar question on my blog a few weeks ago and I think the resounding answer I received applies here as well.
Understanding that what is done is done I'd say that Bing should have left things along. She does not work for the store and she hasn't been appointed "Good Manners Patrol Officer", although I don't think that'd be a bad idea!
Unless the punk-ass brat was doing something to Bing (or Liv, or you) she should've left it well enough alone. It was up to the elderly person to have had said something, not Bing. And I am really glad that you persuaded her to walk away from the situation.
Maybe it's a thing with girls - my daughter went through a bit of a germ free phase. One moment I had to haul her little pink butt into the tub kicking and screaming...then next she would shower...on her own thankyouverymuch, two times a day!
She grew out of it. The clothes thing - she wanted all designer clothes to keep up with her trendy friends. I told her fine...but she only got so much money for her new clothes...as soon as it's gone...it's gone! She learned how to make choices: 1 pair of $60 designer jeans or 3 pair of designer looking jeans from Target for that same $60.
Now she shops at Thrift and consignment stores and finds all kinds of designer stuff for bargain basement prices. Unfortunately though...she's a bit of a shop-o-holic so money flies out of her hands rather quickly.
She buys more with less, but spends more because she thinks she's getting a bargain.
What are ya gonna do?
I've seen a few similar scenarios in the grocery store and they are unaproachable people. It really is a no-win situation. Just ignorant and angry, sorry little people. It's always everyone else's fault and they love to shout out about how it's a free country and they can do whatever they want.
Good job to Bing for not getting anymore involved than she did, but sometimes you just want to bitch slap the mother f--kers don't you?
I think all 3 of you handled that situation with Miss White Trash beautifully and I doubt I would have walked away from it with as much grace and dignity as you did. Your explanation to Liv about the situation was exactly what I would have said.
No germaphobes in the Land of Earth Muffin...just some sketchy standards on occasion. Big M. once picked up a jawbreaker off a bowling alley floor and popped it in his mouth. Later that night he refused to have an gravy put on his biscuits because it looked "nasty". He also only likes cherry tomatoes, no other variety, and he only likes potatoes if they are mashed or french fries. However, he doesn't understand why we don't take him to McDonald's to eat. Their food is "fine".
Hmmm.. yes I agree that you did well to persuade Bing to let it drop and Bing did well to listen to you...though as you wrote "she wanted to shove the cell phone up her ass"....
It seems when it comes to kids...parents are sensitive..and even if the kids are doing something wrong... if someone steps in...the parent will defend...even though this woman seems like a nutcase and obviously should be doing more serious "parenting".
Coffee is not yet at that age...so she is not a germophobic yet..but she is extremely picky about her clothes...I can see a teacher influence in Liv perhaps??? LOL
(hemp sheets? never heard of such a thing.... :) )
What an awful confrontation. It's hard to know what to do in these situations. I would have done the same thing--fought the battle worth fighting (protecting innocent customers from unsupervised rugrats); and taken the high road on the other.
Amanda was never a germophobe, but at Liv's age she was fascinated with every cleaning product or cosmetic found in magazines or advertised on TV.
I worked in a store for many years. A boy was going to jump up and land on a glass coffee table...I could see his intentions written all over him. Of course his mother was paying no attention to him whatsoever. He got ready to spring and as he did I shouted "stop it" - I think ever person in the store (10,000 sq feet) heard me and stopped what they were doing.
The woman yelled at me for scolding her child. I saved his sorry little ass.
sigh-
janet
...and had i been that old lady, i would have turned around and beat the ever lovin' muppet stuffing out of that tong wielding little shit.
Laughing my ass off here...
This reminds me of my Grandma. She had raspberry bushes in her back yard and we kids used to love to help her pick them. Then she would make homemade pies that were the best I have ever tasted. But,while we were picking, we sometimes liked to eat a few (several,many). We would sometimes wonder if we should not clean them first, and Grandma would scoff at us and say that we all eat a bushel of dirt before we die anyway, so what difference did it make, and pop one in her mouth. She lived to be 93. Thank you,Granny.
I don't blame Bing for reacting. It is hard to stand by and watch somebody, elderly or not, treated that way. But, then you were both wise to walk away. I am sure that this is this woman's life everyday, always looking for a fight....smart not to give her what she wants.
You can't argue with idiots. They'll just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
But I am so sorry that you had that terrible experience. The bitch shouldn't be allowed out of the house.
And I, too, went through a bit of a germaphobic phase. Get her a job as a nurse's aide. I was cured while caring for an old incontinent woman with, uh...GI distress. In the middle of cleaning her up, she had a bout of EXPLOSIVE diarrhea. A piece of undigested corn shot out of her ass, flew across the room, and landed on my bottom lip.
I collected a stool sample, including the corn, sent it to the lab, and told her nurse to order it tested. For everything.
I figured that if that didn't kill me, unwashed fruit and loose change weren't going to either.
That is tough. I don't know if I would have said anything to the child or not. Having a son with Autism, I feel like I get judged a lot and some days he is an angel when we go places, but other days he is not. I make him stay right beside me though. One thing I let him do is play in the freezer section and write on the doors. I don't feel like that harms anybody but I have gotten many dirty looks.
That lady sounded white trash, for sure!!
On the germ thing, my nephew went through that too...he still is very picky and won't let anybody touch any of his food.....or he won't eat it!
Sounds to me like Liv's teacher has been giving her a lesson on pesticides and herbicides which she has taken to heart but hopefully it will pass like the other lessons, especially when she is tempted by those ripe tomatoes.
As for that brat of a child in the supermarket. I think Bing did the right thing taking the tongs from the child. Dealing with the mother was a no-win. That woman was capable of doing just about anything and just looking for a reason to snap. If I'd been the store manager after she refused to buy the bananas, I'd have asked her to leave the store without anything, for disturbing his other customers.
I step in and tell kids when they're misbehaving. I've ratted out kids shoplifting and told kids to get off the tables at the foodcourt in the mall. I think it really does take a village to raise a child.
And I think you do have to teach your children to walk away sometimes. I'm sad that there are people out there that are so angry at the world that they have to take it out on others. And that her anger and bigotry will likely get passed onto her children. It feels endless sometimes.
My son wasn't exactly phobic about germs but he did get to a point where he was taking a lot of showers.
My daughter has been her usually frenetic, lane changing, scene stealing self, since birth.
Dealing with other folks' mis-behaving kids, tough. Back in the day it was big news if you didn't step in and correct an errant kid's behavior. Parents were grateful for the help.
Today, a different story. Sadly.
You all did the best you could. I agree, there would have been no reasoning with that mother. Seriously.
Boy you run into some doozies Maria. Sounds like that woman needed to be strung up by her toes for a while. But I think you're right. Ignorance and attitude are a bad combination. Too bad she's spreading it to her kids.
Rach has never been germophobic. I still have to remind her to wash fruit. However, she did start developing more of herself around 10 or so and when the hormones kicked in... oh my word..
At 5, my Bean is quirkier than her sister (4). Nothing quite as specific as what you describe, yet, though she has a bizarre preference for dresses instead of jeans that I just can't fathom. Where did she COME from?
Maybe Liv will relax about the germ stuff when they start talking about the immune system in school?
Boors in supermarkets. Grrrr.
Maria is she a Cancer? People who fall under that sign are know for that, me included. I learned all about germs and hand washing from a VERY fastidious teacher and I became a germ freak and drove my parents bananas. We lived on a farm. LOTS of germs. I also became frightened of robbers at age 15 but that is another obsession......lol. Sounds to me like she is taking her teachers words to heart and your job is to balance it all out with common sense. You are doing a great job!
On the other matter with the stupid mother in the grocery store, first off; I cant believe how she talked to you, that is just odd how awful she was, and I'm sorry you all had to go thru that. Second; It was good for Liv to see Bing stand up for the elderly woman, and learn right from wrong, I myself probably would have gone for the manager tho since I'm notoriously nonconfrontational.
I'm a wimp like that.
HUGS!
What do you think? And if you have kids, were they germ phobics at eight years old?
Hell no.... I didn't raise my kids that way. I find it interesting that men and women stick their tongues in in each others mouth and he sticks his pisser in her pisser and then they start getting paranoid about other things.
I've always exposed myself to a few germs to build up a tolerance to them. I can't worry about all that crap, a monkey may drive his/her car into me tomorrow.
Life is a crap shoot, and uncertain, eat dessert first.
I think you guys did the right thing: step up and then walk away when you see that it's a lost cause.
I myself am trying to speak out more, despite my fear of getting punched in the face.
Like about three weeks ago in the tram: a girl got in while I was still approaching the tram, something dropped to the floor, a paper bag from the bakery. It could have fluttered down by chance, but when I picked it up, I saw that there was still half a sandwich in it. So when I got on the tram I found the girl and put the bag in her lap. "You lost something I said". She actually replied that no, she didn't lose it, she just doesn't need it anymore. !!! Fortunately I wasn't baffled to long and told her loudly that next time if she doesn't want something she should put it in a bin. She was to dumbstruck by this to reply or follow me when I went to the back of the tram.
I was so very proud of myself that day and vowed to step it up more often in the future. You gotta put these people in line, moral courage is way underrated.
Obviously, you were NOT shopping at Whole Foods :-)
I admire Bing, I wouldn't have the guts to stick my neck out like that. I think you did the right thing getting Liv away from the sitch.
Liv. Sounds like someone (Miss Penny probably) is influencing her. No big deal. Over the summer she'll fall back into herself.
Gigi is very picky about her clothes.
I haven't been able to get her into a dress in years (she's 10). Nothing frilly or too girly...heaven forbid!
Gigi could care less about washed fruit. I'm the one constantly reminding her to wash fruit, wash her hands, take a shower...she's just waaaay too into life to concern herself with such trivial matters as cleanliness. I don't know which is worse! I feel like an ogre insisting she take a shower every other night. Is that so wrong?
Once in a while she'll make an attempt to wash an apple, yet leave the sticker on it. eeecchhhhhh (buzzer sound).
Your visual of bug's poop is much kinder than my "migrant farm workers pee on produce to stick it to the man!" schpeel.
She has yet to volunteer bathing, but I'm sure within the next 2 years we won't be able to keep her out of the bathroom...ughhhh.
Relish these days, Maria...the tweens and teens are brutal.
What is the deal with 'vegetable wash' what a brilliant marketing ploy! Good ole water won't do? I admit I scrub my potatoes with soap sometimes if I'm eating the skin.
Bamboo sheets are really cool. Not as cool as hemp, but less expensive and probably way softer.
Bamboo everything is hot, hot!
oh wait.
Gigi has an unnatural affection for animals. She can't bear any sort of mistreatment. She was up in arms over the Belmont Stakes horse race over the weekend.
She can't handle seeing a mounted game head or fish.
She goes on and off vegetarianism and thinks she can talk to and understand what animals say and feel.
What gives? A mini-St. Francis or Miss Dolittle?
She has ALWAYS been like this. I guess I'm so used to it, I forgot this quirk!~
LMAO at Terroni's comment!
it takes a village of faggots to raise a child. :)
I like that Bing.
I am also laughing at Terroni's comment although I'm mildly grossed out at the same time :)
My daughters never had any unusual phobia's though when Chelsea was about 3 she would only eat bread or mashed potatoes for a while.
The clothes thing....OMG it drives me insane. Gone are the days when I could be out shopping and see something nice for them and just buy it for a surprise. Apparently I have no taste and if I like it, you can be sure they won't. Oddly enough though they love everything I wear and always ask me to keep it for them for when they're "grown up". It's all so confusing.
Now about the asshat in the store. Clearly the woman is a hair's breadth away from being a homicial maniac so I'm very happy Bing didn't pursue it any further. She could have totally flipped out at any moment and god only knows what she would have been capable of. As for that little shit offspring of hers....I see a future in the big house for him I'm afraid.
This was definitely a case of picking your battles wisely. There was never going to be any reasoning with that woman and so walking away was the best thing you could have done.
You and Bing did the right thing because you are right the woman couldn't be reason with. And Liv saw how to deal with stupid people.
You and Bing did the right thing because you are right the woman couldn't be reason with. And Liv saw how to deal with stupid people.
Ever notice that when someone knows they are wrong and are called on it, they reduce to name-calling? This poor excuse for a human shouldn't even have children....she's raising them to be prejudiced and small-minded. She and your brother in law would get along well. So sad. Take comfort in knowing that KARMA will take care of her shortly....like maybe a flat tire in 110 degree heat and pouring rain while she has a bunch of frozen foods she's just purchased. I can't stand people who won't control their children. I can proudly say that mine were perfect when I took them shopping. Anything else just was not acceptable. You all handled this right and Bing did the right thing too...naughty children should be corrected and hopefully it WILL embarrass the parent into doing something.
My grandson (teenager) has a germ phobia but not to extremes. He got it from watching his mother. Kids go in and out of many phases. Liv will finally settle into what makes her comfortable eventually. Be well.
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